Comments on: Would Your Government Lie To You? http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/ Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:29:47 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: » Roundup http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-34179 » Roundup Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:36:45 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/#comment-34179 [...] • Another good run-down of Iran from the PSA Blog.  My take is that Congress is not pouncing on this more viciously because they are timid about provoking a complicated engagement with the executive branch when there are big and unresolved tactical decisions about tackling Iraq.  Standard Dem protocol has generally been to sit on something like this in order to whip it out when Bush is already on his knees; I call that wussy, but you know, they’re wusses.  Oh wait, that last sentence didn’t sound so good on the re-read. [...] [...] • Another good run-down of Iran from the PSA Blog.  My take is that Congress is not pouncing on this more viciously because they are timid about provoking a complicated engagement with the executive branch when there are big and unresolved tactical decisions about tackling Iraq.  Standard Dem protocol has generally been to sit on something like this in order to whip it out when Bush is already on his knees; I call that wussy, but you know, they’re wusses.  Oh wait, that last sentence didn’t sound so good on the re-read. [...]

]]> By: Dan http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30395 Dan Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:37:15 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/#comment-30395 The US/UK/Israeli plan for Iran is to attack, invade, occupy and split it up into smaller parts. The West realizes that, regardless of what type of government is in Tehran, that country will remain stubborn and nationalistic against Western energy and strategic wishes. Thus, Bernard Lewis' plan to split Iran up is currently under way, allowing certainly no room for negotiating any sort of 'Grand Bargain' with the mullahs. Interestingly, it was the same Bernard Lewis who 'suggested' that the Shah be replaced with an aging, seemingly inept, mullah back in 1978 (as per William Engdahl's book on the history of oil and war). Said mullah betrayed the trust of his sponsors and here we are today. Lewis' latest scheme will prove even more disastrous, as Putin has already ordered his special forces to the Gulf to protect Russian assets at Bushehr. The US/UK/Israeli plan for Iran is to attack, invade, occupy and split it up into smaller parts. The West realizes that, regardless of what type of government is in Tehran, that country will remain stubborn and nationalistic against Western energy and strategic wishes. Thus, Bernard Lewis’ plan to split Iran up is currently under way, allowing certainly no room for negotiating any sort of ‘Grand Bargain’ with the mullahs.

Interestingly, it was the same Bernard Lewis who ’suggested’ that the Shah be replaced with an aging, seemingly inept, mullah back in 1978 (as per William Engdahl’s book on the history of oil and war). Said mullah betrayed the trust of his sponsors and here we are today. Lewis’ latest scheme will prove even more disastrous, as Putin has already ordered his special forces to the Gulf to protect Russian assets at Bushehr.

]]> By: Ken Larson http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30390 Ken Larson Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:24:57 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/#comment-30390 Politicians make no difference. We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) ever since we took on Russia in the Cold WAR. Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control. I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak. There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance. The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM. So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous. This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning. The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC. For more details see: http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com Politicians make no difference.

We have bought into the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) ever since we took on Russia in the Cold WAR.

Through a combination of public apathy and threats by the MIC we have let the SYSTEM get too large. It is now a SYSTEMIC problem and the SYSTEM is out of control.

I am a 2 tour Vietnam Veteran who recently retired after 36 years of working in the Defense Industrial Complex on many of the weapons systems being used by our forces as we speak.

There is no conspiracy. The SYSTEM has gotten so big that those who make it up and run it day to day in industry and government simply are perpetuating their existance.

The politicians rely on them for details and recommendations because they cannot possibly grasp the nuances of the environment and the BIG SYSTEM.

So, the system has to go bust and then be re-scaled, fixed and re-designed to run efficiently and prudently, just like any other big machine that runs poorly or becomes obsolete or dangerous.

This situation will right itself through trauma. I see a government ENRON on the horizon, with an associated house cleaning.

The next president will come and go along with his appointees and politicos. The event to watch is the collapse of the MIC.

For more details see:

http://www.rosecoveredglasses.blogspot.com

]]> By: Shervin Boloorian http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30307 Shervin Boloorian Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:38:31 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/#comment-30307 The conference you refer to was cosponsored and entirely paid for by the National Iranian American Council. A series of articles on the main highlights of the daylong conference are available on our website: www.niacouncil.org . The conference you refer to was cosponsored and entirely paid for by the National Iranian American Council. A series of articles on the main highlights of the daylong conference are available on our website: http://www.niacouncil.org .

]]> By: Citizens Party | Is Condi Rice Stupid, a Liar, or Under Dick Cheney’s Thumb? http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30280 Citizens Party | Is Condi Rice Stupid, a Liar, or Under Dick Cheney’s Thumb? Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:47:17 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/#comment-30280 [...] Is Condi Rice Stupid, a Liar, or Under Dick Cheney’s Thumb? An analyst we admire, David Isenberg, has done a fine job of summing up the most recent misrepresentations by Condi Rice.  He was not, at the time he wrote this, aware of our review of “VICE: Dick Cheney and the Hijacking of the American Presidency,” in which the authors document Dick Cheney’s explicit rejection of the Iranian porposal via the Swiss, in 2003 of negotiations.  Condi Rice, as National Security Advisor, was absolutely in that loop.  She is not stupid.  It would appear that she is an accomplished liar, and also under Dick Cheney’s thumb.  It is time for both of them to resign, or be impeached.  ”This will not stand.”  http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/ Would Your Government Lie To You? by David Isenberg | February 15th, 2007 |Edit Although it is less than a decade old the New America Foundation  in Washington, DC has a deserved reputation  for promoting new ideas and for helping reveal what is really going on with our government. It did so back in 2005 when Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, (USA-Ret.), former chief of staff to Colin Powell, both when he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State, said in a speech at the Foundation that Vice-President Dick Cheney and a handful of others had hijacked the government’s foreign policy apparatus, deciding in secret to carry out policies that had left the US weaker and more isolated in the world. In decidedly unambiguous words, Wilkerson said, “What I saw was a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made.” [...] [...] Is Condi Rice Stupid, a Liar, or Under Dick Cheney’s Thumb? An analyst we admire, David Isenberg, has done a fine job of summing up the most recent misrepresentations by Condi Rice.  He was not, at the time he wrote this, aware of our review of “VICE: Dick Cheney and the Hijacking of the American Presidency,” in which the authors document Dick Cheney’s explicit rejection of the Iranian porposal via the Swiss, in 2003 of negotiations.  Condi Rice, as National Security Advisor, was absolutely in that loop.  She is not stupid.  It would appear that she is an accomplished liar, and also under Dick Cheney’s thumb.  It is time for both of them to resign, or be impeached.  ”This will not stand.”  http://blog.psaonline.org/2007/02/15/would-your-government-lie-to-you/ Would Your Government Lie To You? by David Isenberg | February 15th, 2007 |Edit Although it is less than a decade old the New America Foundation  in Washington, DC has a deserved reputation  for promoting new ideas and for helping reveal what is really going on with our government. It did so back in 2005 when Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, (USA-Ret.), former chief of staff to Colin Powell, both when he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State, said in a speech at the Foundation that Vice-President Dick Cheney and a handful of others had hijacked the government’s foreign policy apparatus, deciding in secret to carry out policies that had left the US weaker and more isolated in the world. In decidedly unambiguous words, Wilkerson said, “What I saw was a cabal between the vice-president of the United States, Richard Cheney, and the secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld, on critical issues that made decisions that the bureaucracy did not know were being made.” [...]

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