Comments on: Ned Lamont, Tony Snow and Jellyfish http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:45:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Across the Aisle » Lieberman Lamont aftermath http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/comment-page-1/#comment-617 Across the Aisle » Lieberman Lamont aftermath Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:22:51 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/#comment-617 [...] It seems that the dust has settled somewhat from last week’s political events in Connecticut.  I’d like to follow up on Tori’s earlier post primary examination.  One thing that I feel strongly about is that this election was not about partisanship vs bipartisanship, though Joe Lieberman tends to be casting it as such.  Lieberman argues that a vote for Joe is a vote for bipartisan cooperation on the tough foreign policy issues of our time.  A vote for Lamont, on the other hand, is a vote for the partisan hackery that has become so prevalent in politics today.  I argued in my previous post on this issue that for me, my support of Lamont was primarily about Lieberman’s continuous support of an extremely unpopular war.  A nationwide Zogby poll taken after the Connecticut primary confirms that the dominating issue is Iraq and on that Democrats are fairly united - they want candidates that increasingly move us towards a decrease in troops in the country.   [...] [...] It seems that the dust has settled somewhat from last week’s political events in Connecticut.  I’d like to follow up on Tori’s earlier post primary examination.  One thing that I feel strongly about is that this election was not about partisanship vs bipartisanship, though Joe Lieberman tends to be casting it as such.  Lieberman argues that a vote for Joe is a vote for bipartisan cooperation on the tough foreign policy issues of our time.  A vote for Lamont, on the other hand, is a vote for the partisan hackery that has become so prevalent in politics today.  I argued in my previous post on this issue that for me, my support of Lamont was primarily about Lieberman’s continuous support of an extremely unpopular war.  A nationwide Zogby poll taken after the Connecticut primary confirms that the dominating issue is Iraq and on that Democrats are fairly united – they want candidates that increasingly move us towards a decrease in troops in the country.   [...]

]]> By: Wayne K Dolik http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/comment-page-1/#comment-604 Wayne K Dolik Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:26:11 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/#comment-604 I am a political animal. So, I wasn't surprized at either the terror alerts the day after the Lamont/Lieberman primary, nor the message from the snowman. The message from the snowman was be afraid, be very afraid. That is the message from our fearless leaders and their decider. They know that no less than 3 incumbants were defeated in these early primaries. Change is comming, and the snowman and his boss deserve everything they get. As far as our Corporate owned media, is concerned, I and many americans have utter contempt for them as they mearly parrot the words of the current Administration and the Corporate P.R. firms who spread lies here from Europe. The snowman will soon learn that, you can't fool all the people all the time. I am a political animal. So, I wasn’t surprized at either the terror alerts the day after the Lamont/Lieberman primary, nor the message from the snowman. The message from the snowman was be afraid, be very afraid. That is the message from our fearless leaders and their decider. They know that no less than 3 incumbants were defeated in these early primaries. Change is comming, and the snowman and his boss deserve everything they get.

As far as our Corporate owned media, is concerned, I and many americans have utter contempt for them as they mearly parrot the words of the current Administration and the Corporate P.R. firms who spread lies here from Europe.

The snowman will soon learn that, you can’t fool all the people all the time.

]]> By: James Green-Armytage http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/comment-page-1/#comment-598 James Green-Armytage Fri, 11 Aug 2006 05:54:10 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/#comment-598 Some good points. I'm amazed by the idiocy of much mainstream media commentary on this, as you say, assuming that there is some very simple lesson to be learned, e.g. that voters everywhere are going to vote against the war or that the Democratic party is a bunch of loony defeatists. I often wonder how these political commentators can keep their jobs after offering such cartoonish analysis. Call me crazy, but it seems that few have noticed that this wasn't a national referendum on the war, but rather a vote on the relative merits of two individual men. Few have recognized that there may be other things about Lieberman that might offend people, aside from his being somewhat more supportive of the war than other mainstream Democrats. If people want a national referendum on the war, why don't we just have one, rather than just pretending that these kind of elections serve the same purpose. Another thing that really annoys me is that it is assumed that it is totally freaky for an incumbent senator to lose a primary. Folks, if incumbents always win primaries, than in my opinion we live in a pretty shabby democracy. I think that lots of incumbents should get seriously challenged in primaries, unless they are so obviously beloved and great that no one could possibly beat them. Lieberman hardly fits this description. The guy is a slouch. Maybe some of the Connecticut voters got tired of being represented by a slouch. Some good points. I’m amazed by the idiocy of much mainstream media commentary on this, as you say, assuming that there is some very simple lesson to be learned, e.g. that voters everywhere are going to vote against the war or that the Democratic party is a bunch of loony defeatists. I often wonder how these political commentators can keep their jobs after offering such cartoonish analysis.

Call me crazy, but it seems that few have noticed that this wasn’t a national referendum on the war, but rather a vote on the relative merits of two individual men. Few have recognized that there may be other things about Lieberman that might offend people, aside from his being somewhat more supportive of the war than other mainstream Democrats. If people want a national referendum on the war, why don’t we just have one, rather than just pretending that these kind of elections serve the same purpose.

Another thing that really annoys me is that it is assumed that it is totally freaky for an incumbent senator to lose a primary. Folks, if incumbents always win primaries, than in my opinion we live in a pretty shabby democracy. I think that lots of incumbents should get seriously challenged in primaries, unless they are so obviously beloved and great that no one could possibly beat them. Lieberman hardly fits this description. The guy is a slouch. Maybe some of the Connecticut voters got tired of being represented by a slouch.

]]> By: marty scanlan http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/comment-page-1/#comment-597 marty scanlan Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:47:02 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/#comment-597 Tony Snow is full of shit. He's a joke. Tony Snow is full of shit. He’s a joke.

]]> By: Agh http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/comment-page-1/#comment-592 Agh Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:25:54 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/#comment-592 I've actually been amazed by all the strong pronouncements I've heard regarding the Lamont win...everyone seems so sure about their analysis, but most are just saying what they wish to be true. Eventually the most compelling story (not the true one, mind you) will win out and become the conventional wisdom. The closed loop that pundits operate under makes this so, and it is so painful to watch... The one fact that has been completely ignored by the circle-jerk pundit class is that 60% of americans want us to pull out of iraq. It is no longer a far-left position. It is the mainstream position. Yet Lamont is derided as being to the far left due to his stance on this issue (since it's the only one the pundits are talking about). The pundit-class will always just push the storyline that reinforces what they consider to be conventional wisdom, even when reality has changed dramatically from that wisdom. I’ve actually been amazed by all the strong pronouncements I’ve heard regarding the Lamont win…everyone seems so sure about their analysis, but most are just saying what they wish to be true. Eventually the most compelling story (not the true one, mind you) will win out and become the conventional wisdom. The closed loop that pundits operate under makes this so, and it is so painful to watch…

The one fact that has been completely ignored by the circle-jerk pundit class is that 60% of americans want us to pull out of iraq. It is no longer a far-left position. It is the mainstream position. Yet Lamont is derided as being to the far left due to his stance on this issue (since it’s the only one the pundits are talking about).

The pundit-class will always just push the storyline that reinforces what they consider to be conventional wisdom, even when reality has changed dramatically from that wisdom.

]]> By: Devil's Advocate http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/comment-page-1/#comment-591 Devil's Advocate Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:14:12 +0000 http://blog.psaonline.org/2006/08/09/ned-lamont-tony-snow-and-jellyfish/#comment-591 Ah! The sweet smell of Republican desperation... Ah! The sweet smell of Republican desperation…

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