Another Take on 9/11 Conspiracies

by Brian Vogt | June 24th, 2006 | |Subscribe
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I was quite amazed when I looked that the Across the Aisle blog yesterday and saw there were over 80 comments posted in one day!  I wondered, what foreign policy issue was generating such intense interest?  It must be a debate on the future of our forces in Iraq, or a debate on the volatile situation in the Middle East, or a discussion on how our country deals with nuclear threats from Iran.  Or perhaps commentators were discussing how we deal with our dangerous dependency on foreign oil.

Sadly, it turned out that nearly all of these comments were from readers who adamantly felt that 9/11 was a government conspiracy.  Of course, you can probably guess from my tone that I do not believe in such theories.  Although I do concede that over the years the US government has been guilty of numerous crimes and covert actions that in many cases make me ashamed, I find it quite hard to believe the conspiracy theories that are presented by these commentators.  Of course, I’m no physicist and I don’t pretend to understand the mechanics of what happened on September 11th.  However, I felt that Ben’s link to a Popular Mechanics article written by a wide variety of reputable sources was quite convincing – certainly much more convincing than many of the links and videos presented by the ensuing commentators.  That, combined with the extensive research done by the 9/11 Commission, makes me skeptical of those arguments in favor of conspiracy theories.  Certainly, there are many questions and unknowns about what happened that day.  However, those questions and unknowns, when taken in total, seem insufficient to prevent a believable case against the conventional explanations of what happened. 

Nevertheless, I certainly believe that advocates of the conspiracy theory point of view should be able to express their views.  However, it saddens me that such energy and intensity is not directed at the issues of the day that are not in such contention.  The Bush administration misled the American people into war in Iraq and did so without a plan to win the peace.  The Bush administration has used 9/11 to dramatically increase Presidential power and decrease civil liberties.  Our international reputation is in tatters.  These are all conditions that are pretty much agreed on and their ramifications are incredibly tragic and ominous.   Where is the outrage over these issues?  I learned long ago that it is important to choose one’s battles and I would argue that the more effective battleground is around the issues that I’ve laid out. 

Finally, I was particularly disappointed in the tone of many of the comments.  While there are valid arguments that one can make in support of a conspiracy theory, when one interlaces those with profanity and name calling, one’s argument is easily dismissed. 

7 Comments »

  1. B. Rendang wrote,

    I WAS QUITE AMAZED THAT YOU’RE SUCH AN IDIOT

    Mr. “Brian Vogt” has taken this pulpit and used it to shove the same illogical arguments that the government has used to opiate the masses for the past five years. (If “Brian Vogt” is even his real name! Is it any coincidence, that “Brian Vogt” is an anagram for “Voting Bar,” the code name for the group of volunteers dispatched to Florida during the election controversy in ’00? I think not, Mr. “Brian Vogt”!)

    I am DELIGHTED that you are saddened by the fact that our energy has not been mis-directed to more modern smokescreens, such as the civil war in iraq (which we started!), the rise in oil prices (created by years of calculated indifference by the Republican-dominated FTC during the early ’90s oilco mergers, so that Standard Oil could fatten their reelection coffers) or Kim Jong Il (died in 2002!).

    Hey, “Brian Vogt,” here’s a tip: why don’t you have a cup of reality and open your @#$%*( eyes?!!!!!!!!!

    Comment on August 24, 2006 @ 4:14 pm

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    CORRECTIONS

    British Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott did not call President Bush “crap.” He was merely referring to the President’s policies and behavior as “crap.”

    Exterminator Tom Delay did not state that the World Trade Center buildings were brought down by termites. The office girl who mans our phones has an age-related hearing impairment and misunderstood “thermite” for
    “termites,” and the word “Mandalay” for “Tom Delay.”
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    Virginia Senator George Allen did not refer to United States Senator John McCain as “McSenator Makaka McCain” as reported, but was light-heartedly remarking about the Congressman’s “mcHair-do” which whimsically incorporates screwdrivers held in place by large quantities of vaseline. http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/05/george_allens_h.html

    Some of the Above News berates itself, profusely apologizes all over itself, and regrets any inconvenience, but stops well short of admitting any civil or criminal liability in the matter.

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    From a childhood friend’s comments on Some of The Above News’s campaign for the truth about 9/11:

    “….That is without a doubt the biggest bunch of drivel. How do you explain the planes that went down in Pennsylvania or into the Pentagon? And why should the government be responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center when that is so crucial to American capitalism? They could have achieved the same effect with a lesser target. But the far left is doing its damage because I heard that a third of the American people believe this crap. What has always amazed me is that you believe it. You’re far too bright for that, I thought. But it strikes me that maybe you don’t believe it, but that it’s a useful tool.
    Well, after that cheery note, I’ll say TTFN (ta-ta for now).”
    Shirley (not real name)

    EDITOR REPLIES:

    Thank you for the opportunity to enlighten you (and at the same time many of the slower members of the Some of The Above News subscriber family). As you know our motto is: “There are no dumb questions; only dumb questioners.”
    Your right-wingnut talking points suggest that you are probably an avid fan of the talking haircuts of the TeeVee News. While I don’t have time today to answer all these points, I will link you to some sites which will answer them, and most others you might come up with in your journey back to good old USofA reality.
    Give the soaps a rest, Dearie! Loosen up with the Loose Change crowd. Spend some quality time with http://www.911truth.org and your brain.
    Synchronistically enough, this very day I ran across the article excerpted below. I call your attention especially to this quote from it:
    “….After spending the better part of the last five years treating these theories with utmost skepticism, I have devoted serious time to actually studying them in recent months, and have also carefully watched several videos that are available on the subject. I have come to believe that significant parts of the 9/11 theories are true, and that therefore significant parts of the “official story” put out by the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission are false….”
    You should take great comfort in the fact that this truth-seeker, a former CIA official, was also bamboozled by the corporate media for five years.
    Yours truly spent only about one and one-half years in the dark, probably mostly because I have not watched television since 1994, and because my reading and experiences had already made me skeptical of the government/media complex. Thus I was already more inclined to question government/media claims.
    You seem to believe that it is the “far left” that is convincing people, but one of 9/11 truth-seekers’ main frustrations is the EXTREME timidity, the church-mouse silence on the matter, of NEARLY ALL of the “left” “progressive” publications, pundits, websites, blogs, talk show hosts, etc. They have come to be called “the left gate-keepers.” Like the proverbial dog in the manger they not only neglect the vital information they have access to, but also keep it from everybody else. Fear is the main factor here: fear of losing their grants, being black-balled by colleagues and sources, being called “conspiracy theorists,” irresponsible, irrelevant, etc. And fear of being targeted for career and/or physical harassment or termination. Actually some of the most courageous and eloquent 9/11 “detectives” are conservatives, like Paul Craig Roberts, who was a high official in the Reagan administration, Wall Street Journal writer, etc.
    Thus your “useful tool” hypothesis don’t hunt.

    Excerpt from:

    Another Ex-CIA Official Speaks Out for 9/11 Truth

    Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11

    by Bill Christison
    http://www.dissidentvoice.org
    August 14, 2006

    ….Let’s address the real issues here. Why is it important that we not let the so-called conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 be drowned out? After spending the better part of the last five years treating these theories with utmost skepticism, I have devoted serious time to actually studying them in recent months, and have also carefully watched several videos that are available on the subject. I have come to believe that significant parts of the 9/11 theories are true, and that therefore significant parts of the “official story” put out by the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission are false. I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. The items below highlight the major questions surrounding 9/11 but do not constitute a detailed recounting of the evidence available….

    ….This should be worked on at two different levels. At the first level, the objective should be long-term, centered on making a maximum effort to find out who the individuals and groups are that carried out the attacks in New York and Washington. Then, these people should be tried in an international court and, if possible, convicted and punished for causing so many deaths. Such a trial, accompanied by actual change in U.S. policies, would show that some people on this globe are at least trying to move closer to more just and decent behavior in human relationships around the world.

    At the second level, the short term, the task should be to immediately set to work as hard as is humanly possible to defeat in this year’s congressional election any candidate who refuses to support a no-holds-barred investigation of 9/11 by the Congress or a high-level international court. No more evidence than is now available is needed in order to begin this process.

    A manageable volume of carefully collected and analyzed evidence is already at hand on both items ONE and TWO above. Such evidence should be used right now to buttress charges that elements within the Bush administration, as well as possibly other groups foreign or domestic, were involved in a massive fraud against the American people, a fraud that has led to many thousands of deaths….

    [Bill Christison is a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. Since then he has written numerous articles on U.S. foreign policies. He can be reached at: kathy.bill@christison-santafe.com ]
    http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060815025513406

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    Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
    by Steven E. Jones

    En Español:”¿Por qué se derrumbaron realmente los edificios del WTC?”
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    CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN

    [This is excerpted from a seven-page transcript of a talk by John Perkins called "Confessions of an economic Hit Man" Given at South Hadley, MA, 11 January 2005, broadcast on ALTERNATIVE RADIO]

    John Perkins was a loan shark to developing countries. After a stint in the Peace Corps in Latin America, he went to work as an economic planner for an international consulting firm that was a front for the National Security Administration. His book, CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN is a bestseller.
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    What we’re going to talk about is the post-World War II history of the world as I see it. and that history is essentially the story of empire. During the period since World War II, we’ve managed to create the world’s first truly global empire, and it’s the only empire in history that’s ever been created primarily without the military. It’s been created through economics, through economic hit men.

    And it’s a very subtle empire: it’s an empire that many of us who live in that empire don’t realize is an empire. We wouldn’t even call it that. When you create an empire as the Romans did or the Persians or the Chinese or the conquistadores or the British Empire or the French or the Dutch Empires, through military, everybody knows you’re doing it, because all your young men, and sometimes women, are going off to fight in the wars. But when you create an empire through economics, it’s very possible to keep that pretty secret from most of the people, most of the time. Nonetheless, we’ve created an empire….

    ….It was a change of consciousness. Civil movements are powerful. I think there are a few of you out there who may be familiar, I’ve written five other books before this one on indigenous people and shamanism. That was when I was doing the nonprofit work which was partly assuaging my guilt. I took bribes not to write this book back in the early 1990s and put most of the money in the nonprofit, which went to helping indigenous people in many of the countries that I had ripped off before. But what I’ve learned, I’ve worked with many, many indigenous countries around the world, the Bugis of Indonesia, the Bushmen, the Zulus, the people of the Asian Steppes, the Mayas, the Hopi, the Quechua, the Shuar, all of these people have prophecies. Every one of them that I know of has a prophecy that we are in a time of tremendous transition and a potential for great things to happen. I was with the Dalai Lama not long ago in Ladakh, and I just came back from Tibet a few months ago. And those prophecies are everywhere. I believe that we’re in a time when it’s been prophesied that this is the time for potential change, not that change will happen, but that the potential exists and we have to do it.

    And I believe what the indigenous people have always taught me throughout the years from many, many different cultures, that each one of us comes into this body at this time with a mission for a reason. And our schools often teach us to forget about that. But here we are now, at this very critical time. Each of you has come in here at this time for a reason with a mission, and you’re sitting in this room now for some reason. Something drew you here today. The idea of a confession of an economic hit man. I don’t think you’re all Catholic priests waiting for someone to confess into your ear out there. What drew you here? Why are you here this time? I think you’re here because you’re ready to see us move to this next step. You’re ready to see us realize the dream of our founding fathers, you’re ready to see us create a world that we’re going to be proud of.

    I’m going to turn 60 in a couple of weeks. I have a 22-year-old daughter. I don’t know how much time I’ve got left on this planet, but I do know that I want to devote all of what I’ve got left to making this a better world for her and her generation than the one I would be leaving her if I were to leave right now. So here we’re poised at this amazing time in history, a time that’s been prophesied by all these cultures. Here you are sitting here in the wealthiest country that history has ever known, tremendous resources, tentacles that reach to the farthest corners of the planet, the ability to do remarkable things, to create the world that we all want to see created. And so I submit to you that it’s now time to get off our butts and let’s get out there and change this world. Thank you.
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    Bradblog: In summary, how optimistic or
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    Comment on August 24, 2006 @ 6:33 pm

  3. Shelton Lankford wrote,

    I will put down my speculations about Dick Cheney orchestrating 9/11 when you explain how 1)Osama got multiple exercises to mask the attacks 2)Osama got the FBI to obstruct any chances of stopping the plot 3) Arranged for promotions for those who obstructed the foiling of the plot 4) arranged for explosives to be placed in the towers, 5) All the wreckage to be disappeared before any realistic forensic analysis could be done, etc. etc.

    All we want are answers (and the scalps of those responsible, and I don’t mean some dumbass Afghan hillbillies)

    Comment on August 24, 2006 @ 7:12 pm

  4. Duke wrote,

    Ignorance must be bliss eh? My oh my you are pretty clueless on this subject. You actually think the 9/11 Commission did a good job? The “extensive research” as you put it seemed to leave out a small detail…a 48 story building called Building 7. That’s right, they completely ignored the collapse of Building 7 which was not hit by a plane and had 2 small fires.

    Did you even know there was a third collapse? Most people don’t so don’t feel bad.

    Did you know that NO steel structure building has EVER collapsed due to fire? Three in one day, kind of odd don’t you think?

    FEMA couldn’t even even explain it so they ignored it as well…”The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time.” It remains ‘unknown’ because the truth must be hidden in order to preserve the official story. If you really want to investigate 9/11 then start with B7 and work backwards.

    Also the 19 terrorists picked a good day to attack since NORAD was running drills on 9/11 called Vigilant Guardian.

    Another odd coincidence I’m sure.

    On 9/11 the world’s only military superpower was apparently oblivious to the location of rogue airliners in it’s airspace for over an hour, and military commanders were left perplexed on how to deal with the situation of hijackers using these planes as flying bombs. One hour and not one jet made it to the wing of any of the 4 planes. Hmmm?

    Besides 3 steel buildings collapsing from fire for the first time in history (in a neat little pile), we have 2 more that must be mentioned. The plane that hit the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania crash were both ‘vaporized’. That’s right, there was no plane to be found at either site and no bodies. This has never happened in the history of plane crashes. Very odd to say the least.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg. If you would actually investigate without emotional logic I think anyone with an open mind will see within 10 minutes something is very wrong here.

    I guess these few examples seem plausible to you.

    Ignorance must be bliss.

    Comment on August 24, 2006 @ 10:21 pm

  5. Guinea wrote,

    I don’t agree with all the name calling everyone has given you, but I do believe you didn’t check out all the links in your comments on your last blog. I think you should go check them all out and read ALL your comments, after all you did give Popular Mechanics a chance. I’m not going to give you anymore links because you already have plenty and got some catching up to do, but you should definitley check them all out.

    Comment on August 25, 2006 @ 8:15 am

  6. P. Whited wrote,

    “Did you know that NO steel structure building has EVER collapsed due to fire?”

    Now there’s an idiotic statement if there ever was one. I lived two blocks from a bowling alley that burned down one night. It was a block walled building with a roof supported by steel beams. The hardwood burned so hot that the beams sagged in the middle and pulled down the walls. Think fire can’t melt steel? Think again. Get it red hot, it WILL bend. I can’t believe anyone would make such an uninformed statement when it is SO easy to do 30 seconds of research.

    But wait, there’s more:

    “The plane that hit the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania crash were both ‘vaporized’. That’s right, there was no plane to be found at either site and no bodies. This has never happened in the history of plane crashes. Very odd to say the least.”

    Odd, perhaps, but it has happened. Humans don’t hold up well to massive trauma like that. Bodies literally explode from impact forces in aircraft crashes. It’s not unusual at all for a family to bury a KNEECAP (actually happened) or a lower jaw (actually happened) because it’s the only part that was found of their loved one. Look up the crash of Flight 4184, an American Eagle commuter plane. Went down in Roselawn, Indiana after icing caused loss of control. There is ONE section of aircraft that is identifiable,
    the rest of it is tiny fragments. This aircraft did NOT strike a building, it merely hit the ground, as the crew fought to control it. It was also not DRIVEN INTO THE GROUND at a high rate, which would have “vaporised” it. Seriously, look at the pictures, the Roselawn crash very nearly vaporised the aircraft. Do some research on “normal” airplane crashes, you’ll be very surprised at what you find. Of course you WON’T, because you’re never going to allow yourself to consider any other possibility.

    You’re right, ignorance must be bliss.

    Comment on September 8, 2006 @ 3:29 pm

  7. Mary wrote,

    I really shouldn’t even comment on this disgusting site, but I thought since I am family member of someone who died on 4184, I should enlighten some who read this site as fact. To be a person who went to the plane crash site to see the little pieces of plane and debris that was left, and to be a person who only got fragments of what might be my family members left hand, since American Airlines couldnm’t even guarentee us that, I just that you should know planes vaporize. Just to reiterate a point that has been made over and over again, check your facts before you speak. You obviously did very little research.

    Comment on March 25, 2007 @ 10:20 pm

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